Jaynuary

Jan 26, 2025 18:02

If you think alt people can't be any of those things you are have dumb.

Mr Nightnews

Jan 26, 2025 18:10

I've learnt to look the other way about a lot of things in the alt rock and goth scene..

We don't really need to know what our redneck or woke rock club hanging out buddies vote or think to themselves as long as they make the scene friendly and agreeable when we are all mixing socially over music.

Dating is another matter of course.

The goth scene in the UK has always been the most welcoming to just about everybody which is a good enough value to make everyone in it shut up about real life political and inflammatory schizz when we are all in the same club or gig.

(Of course they usually follow and fug that up by really stoopid and vicious factional disagreements eventually - but whatever lol.)

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💖 Neon™ Waifu 💖

Jan 26, 2025 18:17

As a on-again off-again member of the alt community with friends in various scenes I can definitively say that alt people on average are bigger assholes than other groups. Gatekeeping, bullying, and narcissism, and sociopathy run rampant in this community, and to claim otherwise is very naive.

DÜmR

Jan 26, 2025 18:51

What gets me is how in states everything is now tied to a certain political leaning. Ex: Didn't want to wear a mask, you're automatically voting for Trump. It got tiresome, especially for some one who just calls each individual topic as they see them.

emperorroberto

Jan 26, 2025 19:20

No one wanted to wear a mask,Reps or Dems

Daddy Gru

Jan 27, 2025 03:07

One problem is that each of those labels is subjective depending on where you fall on the ideological spectrum. Not wanting my daughter to potentially have to play a sport with a biological male probably gets me labeled a transphobe by some wokester idiots who don’t have any skin in the game because they don’t even have kids. Or thinking that “communities of color” might actually need more policing and not less to root out the criminals in their midst holding them back (many in those communities will flat out tell you that) probably gets me labeled a racist by wokester dummies who read a few chapters of Robin DeAngelo or Ibram X. Kendi.

I’m definitely an asshole though, that I will cop to. But I also never claimed to be alt, so if I don’t really fit in, oh well.

DÜmR

Jan 27, 2025 03:20

Bars.

Anthony55

Jan 27, 2025 04:13

Hail the father of lies ,

DSBM99

Jan 27, 2025 05:13

"No transphobes, homophobes, racists, or assholes. Can't believe I still have to put that on here. If you're any of those things, you're not alt."

Isn't that the norm today, so wouldn't the alt to that be all those things????

Thrones

Jan 27, 2025 08:33

Similar to Gru. I don't really know what the definition of homophobes/transphobes are. Is believing there are only 2 genders and its based on biological s*x transphobic for example? Which seems to have the main part of the trans debate.

Neons right too, the Alt community has loads of people that arn't nice. I also think they might as a group have bigger mental health issues. But i'm generalising.

Mjauw

Jan 27, 2025 09:05

Since the dawn of subculture this has been a divide. So yes you can be all these things and still be alt.
This is not me taking stand on any of the sides presented but alt culture is based on music and fashion and an opposition to normal society regardless of political standpoint.
One could argue that radical acceptance is the way to be alt since we want the right to live unbothered while looking like freaks but at the end of the day everyone wants a scapegoat, be it satanic fashion or gay people, someone else will always be against it.
And since there is no rule of being queer while beig alt one can absolutely most certainly be both anti lgbtq and simultaneously like dark anti establishment fashion and music.

Vorschlag

Jan 27, 2025 09:30

Everyone seems to agree that this thread is one of the most ridiculous things they've read today.

TheDarkGeek

Jan 27, 2025 14:45

I personally only care about one characteristic in any human, don't be a d*ck to me and or try to push your beliefs on me and Im cool with anyone. I am simply a hooman trying to hooman in peace.

TheDarkGeek

Jan 27, 2025 14:46

ok so that's two things but you get my meaning. Live and let live and all that.

HeartbreakBeat

Jan 27, 2025 14:58

@Vorschlag: 😂

Slothpenguin

Jan 27, 2025 20:28

Even though I believe in trans rights, in sport I can see the negative like gru. The same way taking testosterone is banned in sports natural testosterone in female sports is an advantage but I've no clue how to fix that issue.
There are enough people in the alt umbrella that don't accept you if you don't look alt enough for them. I've met many arseholes in here like that who thankfully seem to have gone and not come back. The ones who wouldnt accept you if you weren't here I'm 2010 in the good old days!
I vote anything by the vegan teacher is normally the worst I see most days.

💖 Neon™ Waifu 💖

Jan 28, 2025 00:48

I believe in trans rights but am unsure where I stand on the sports thing.

Daddy Gru

Jan 28, 2025 02:59

Let them have their own divisions within the sport. Women have fought for decades to have their own spaces in which to compete with each other on a level playing field. Going through male puberty and then transitioning to female and competing in a sport confers an unfair advantage. It’s not hard to figure out and it’s not bigotry to want to protect women’s spaces. It’s the JK Rowling argument. Call her a TERF if you must, she’s on the side of logic and common sense.

Slothpenguin

Jan 28, 2025 10:36

I can't agree that JK is anything like that.
There is a wold of difference between concern for the fake trans using it to commit crime or demand better treatment in prisons etc but she attacks the genuine cases. She is against any trans person. Has said she would refuse to call a trans person by their new gender. That is cruelty, not fighting for cis rights.
She is the opposite end of the scale from trans rights thugs and neither should tolerated.

Gru, having their own divisions can't work as there are not enough to do that.

Mercurius Mesmerize

Jan 28, 2025 15:44

Then let them compete with the men. Else they will have to wait or miss out, opportunities in history have not all come instantaneously when someone wants something. All change takes time.

TheDarkGeek

Jan 28, 2025 15:46

Could give them their own league and have cis people who don't mind join to fill in the rest of the spots...idk just hoping for the best with everyone.

Daddy Gru

Jan 28, 2025 16:33

I listened to a podcast series of interviews with Rowling and did not glean any of the views you’re ascribing to her. I think it’s fair to say she’s a trans skeptic but I don’t think it’s because she’s dogmatically opposed to the existence of trans people like the Trump administration and its enablers are. I think she is fearful of losing the things the feminist movement has fought so hard for for many years to a trans rights movement that is best characterized by hysteria and social contagion. I count myself a skeptic of many of its goals as well.

Mr Nightnews

Jan 28, 2025 17:08

Lots of trans people in the goth scene and no one really cares on the day...

Not seen many goths do gym and sport though I always have.. just to make up for the unhealthy hedonist aspects lol

I was wondering why JK is portrayed as rabid after writing such nice books (that don't interest me) and being from Edinburgh my main base, but she does post some really provocative bad takes on twitter x but whatever..

Maybe they should involve consent to race against trans athletes, no consent no trans participants or the other way round if there are more trans athletes than cis?

Just as bad is misgendering genuinely female athletes who win, to get them disqualified, like has happened in some boxing.

Some politicians are getting carried away with their policy based takes on objective reality! No they can't legislate away reality, or change reality with bad policy, there have always been trans people now its time to grow up and accommodate them.

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Daddy Gru

Jan 28, 2025 22:02

The consent idea would 100% be weaponized by ideologues, especially on the trans activist side. One could easily imagine the social costs associated with not consenting and then being labeled a bigot by morons who want to destroy your career and your life. The decision needs to be made at the level of the governing body of the sport to shield the individual participants from the pressure and the toxic effects of social justice lunacy. A large organization is much harder to cancel than individual people.

Slothpenguin

Jan 28, 2025 22:51

JK has been very vocal about things in Scotland, of course I'm an interview she os going to show her best sides.
What I've been reading today I think k you guys have bigger issues going on, like government funding for schools and medicaid issues.
I've seen some interviews with schools and that will cause them major problems.

Daddy Gru

Jan 29, 2025 03:26

Of course we have bigger issues, we elected an orange game show host criminal fraud philanderer authoritarian colossal fücktard moron piece of shït to the highest position of power in the world. But at least the price of eggs is going dow-….oh wait, that’s not happening after all. You know, because we don’t live in a country with a command economy where the king can just set all the prices.

Weary whisper

Jan 29, 2025 15:52

@slothpenguin I knew the trans community hated Jk but I didn't know what she said specifically. I didn't know she said the below. To quote you.

"Has said she would refuse to call a trans person by their new gender." That is cruelty, not fighting for cis rights.

Yeah agreed that's disrespectful for sure. I have no issue with trans people what so ever.

I do think trans activists might need to re-think about tweaking some things, as some new concerns come up. The cause is important, but neglecting other issues that might call for things being tweaked or investigating, or getting more research done, to help there cause be a healthy adjustment.

Weary whisper

Jan 29, 2025 15:57

@pandu yes ridiculous, because being alt doesn't mean anything these days, with politics, views & values. We've addressed this in other posts.

Alt people are the same as the rest of the world, with there values & opinions.

They/we just listen to non mainstream music, usually creative types, we dress a little different etc... but as far as politics & values, that's just like the rest of the world I find, especially these days.